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		<title>Comment on When Better is the Enemy of Equal &#8211; Flying Fat by Helena Handbasket</title>
		<link>http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/when-better-is-the-enemy-of-equal-flying-fat/#comment-45093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Helena Handbasket]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 05:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If this is really the case, I would be willing to fly again. I stopped because I was tired of the looks and the attitude. Oh. And the TSA schmucks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is really the case, I would be willing to fly again. I stopped because I was tired of the looks and the attitude. Oh. And the TSA schmucks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When Better is the Enemy of Equal &#8211; Flying Fat by danceswithfat</title>
		<link>http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/when-better-is-the-enemy-of-equal-flying-fat/#comment-45088</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 00:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kerry, </p>
<p>You do the &#8220;right&#8221; thing and people still aren&#8217;t happy <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   I will say that Southwest has changed their policy &#8211; you now get refunded whether the flight is booked or not, and if you choose not to buy the other ticket you&#8217;ll be accommodated.   </p>
<p>~Ragen </p>
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		<title>Comment on When Better is the Enemy of Equal &#8211; Flying Fat by kerryme</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kerryme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 23:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What was surprising to me the last time I flew Southwest was that I did purchase the extra seat because I didn&#039;t want what happened to Kevin Smith to happen to me. Well, my husband and I, both fat, both purchased the extra seat after we saw that the policy was that they would refund later (if the flight is NOT overbooked). Anyway, we were also flying with our children and were sure it was the right thing to do after many travel blogs talking about the horrors of childless people having to fly with children on the plane. So, we sat in the very rear of the plane, my husband and son in one set of three seats and my daughter and I in the other set. Southwest gave us a handy dandy sign to put up in the empty seat saying that we purchased that seat and no one could sit there. Lo and behold people kept coming back there to sit and were angry that the seats were not available to them. WHAT??!!! Seriously!!! You are angry because you cannot sit between a fat person and a child!! I was shocked after hearing so many people complain about that very thing. Incidentally, we were only refunded for one leg of the round trip flight because the other leg was overbooked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was surprising to me the last time I flew Southwest was that I did purchase the extra seat because I didn&#8217;t want what happened to Kevin Smith to happen to me. Well, my husband and I, both fat, both purchased the extra seat after we saw that the policy was that they would refund later (if the flight is NOT overbooked). Anyway, we were also flying with our children and were sure it was the right thing to do after many travel blogs talking about the horrors of childless people having to fly with children on the plane. So, we sat in the very rear of the plane, my husband and son in one set of three seats and my daughter and I in the other set. Southwest gave us a handy dandy sign to put up in the empty seat saying that we purchased that seat and no one could sit there. Lo and behold people kept coming back there to sit and were angry that the seats were not available to them. WHAT??!!! Seriously!!! You are angry because you cannot sit between a fat person and a child!! I was shocked after hearing so many people complain about that very thing. Incidentally, we were only refunded for one leg of the round trip flight because the other leg was overbooked.</p>
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		<title>Comment on After the Victory &#8211; Part 1 by Deb Burgard</title>
		<link>http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/after-the-victory-part-1/#comment-45076</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deb Burgard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 21:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Ragen, for the important advice about feeling great about the progress.  The really central question here for me is, how do we make activism sustainable, and there has to be hope along the way to do that. 

 I think there is a nuance to this that might be worth thinking about.  For me, the problem sometimes is that the progress comes very unevenly based on existing inequalities.  We try to get a change that benefits all the people who need it, and because of racism, homophobia, or whatever stigma, it only gets changed for people who already have a privilege.  For me it then becomes very bittersweet to celebrate, because someone is not celebrating and is essentially left out of the party altogether.  I think this is at the root of a lot of what you are talking about - not all, because there is also pessimism, cynicism, envy, perfectionism, and even competition over who makes something happen and how - but some.  What gets experienced as &quot;progress&quot; depends on where you stand.  I am acutely aware of the questions in the minds of the people left out by the progress about whether there will continue to be any will to pursue change for them, too.  So I might say, yeah, let&#039;s celebrate, but with the voices of the people who got left out right at the center. Again, because the activism has to be sustainable and has to last all of our lifetimes, because there is so much suffering and unfairness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ragen, for the important advice about feeling great about the progress.  The really central question here for me is, how do we make activism sustainable, and there has to be hope along the way to do that. </p>
<p> I think there is a nuance to this that might be worth thinking about.  For me, the problem sometimes is that the progress comes very unevenly based on existing inequalities.  We try to get a change that benefits all the people who need it, and because of racism, homophobia, or whatever stigma, it only gets changed for people who already have a privilege.  For me it then becomes very bittersweet to celebrate, because someone is not celebrating and is essentially left out of the party altogether.  I think this is at the root of a lot of what you are talking about &#8211; not all, because there is also pessimism, cynicism, envy, perfectionism, and even competition over who makes something happen and how &#8211; but some.  What gets experienced as &#8220;progress&#8221; depends on where you stand.  I am acutely aware of the questions in the minds of the people left out by the progress about whether there will continue to be any will to pursue change for them, too.  So I might say, yeah, let&#8217;s celebrate, but with the voices of the people who got left out right at the center. Again, because the activism has to be sustainable and has to last all of our lifetimes, because there is so much suffering and unfairness.</p>
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		<title>Comment on After the Victory &#8211; Part 2 by Anne</title>
		<link>http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2013/05/25/after-the-victory-part-2/#comment-45067</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 15:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point. 

I am old enough to remember when a local iconic ale house refused to admit or serve women. 

I&#039;ve never been there. It&#039;s not that I ever refused to go - there was never a specific situation when I would have - but I&#039;ve always felt  a bit uncomfortable at the idea. At the same time, I celebrate the fact that a young woman I know hung out there with her fellow engineering grad students - the whole point of the campaign was that a woman could go have lunch with her peers. 

I do think - considering this - that some of my attitude was because, when the change was made, women who did go there were seen as gloating over a victory,  seen as instigators, rather than conciliators. But surely that faded after a few years - and even 30 years ago I would have been welcomed just as a customer. 

An airline is a different culture, though - and a clothing company has an entirely different business model. The airline never wanted us not to fly - they just wanted us duly penalized for the problems we were perceived to cause. (While not penalizing socially acceptable people who caused similar problems.) And if a clothing company finally does make a line of clothes for us, they are actually punished for cooperating with us if we don&#039;t  buy them... it&#039;s not as if they can sell the 20s to an 8. We don&#039;t want to say &quot;Cooperate with us *and* lose money!&quot; That&#039;s counterproductive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. </p>
<p>I am old enough to remember when a local iconic ale house refused to admit or serve women. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been there. It&#8217;s not that I ever refused to go &#8211; there was never a specific situation when I would have &#8211; but I&#8217;ve always felt  a bit uncomfortable at the idea. At the same time, I celebrate the fact that a young woman I know hung out there with her fellow engineering grad students &#8211; the whole point of the campaign was that a woman could go have lunch with her peers. </p>
<p>I do think &#8211; considering this &#8211; that some of my attitude was because, when the change was made, women who did go there were seen as gloating over a victory,  seen as instigators, rather than conciliators. But surely that faded after a few years &#8211; and even 30 years ago I would have been welcomed just as a customer. </p>
<p>An airline is a different culture, though &#8211; and a clothing company has an entirely different business model. The airline never wanted us not to fly &#8211; they just wanted us duly penalized for the problems we were perceived to cause. (While not penalizing socially acceptable people who caused similar problems.) And if a clothing company finally does make a line of clothes for us, they are actually punished for cooperating with us if we don&#8217;t  buy them&#8230; it&#8217;s not as if they can sell the 20s to an 8. We don&#8217;t want to say &#8220;Cooperate with us *and* lose money!&#8221; That&#8217;s counterproductive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on After the Victory &#8211; Part 2 by Twistie</title>
		<link>http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2013/05/25/after-the-victory-part-2/#comment-45066</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Twistie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 14:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we tell businesses that we demand changes to recognize and serve us, and then we tell them we won&#039;t use their products/services because they ever left us out in the cold, we&#039;re setting up a &#039;damned if we do, damned if we don&#039;t&#039; situation where they&#039;ll just swat us all away like flies because even if we get what we want, it won&#039;t change our behavior or their bottom line.

Just as we need to recognize our own victories, we need to acknowledge their progress, even if all we do as a group is say thanks. It&#039;s easier to take the next step if the first one is noticed and praised.

After all, when a baby takes it&#039;s first, wobbly steps we don&#039;t sniff disdainfully that it hasn&#039;t run a marathon yet or that it needed too much encouragement to get there. We smile until we nearly split our faces in two, clap our hands, and coo in ecstasy. We hold out our hands and ask them to come to us. We hug it when it gets there. Then the baby knows taking a step is a good thing and takes another.

So if a company expands a size range, or ends a discriminatory policy, or takes down an offensive campaign, we need to think of it as that first, wobbly step and give them some positive feedback. Positive reinforcement can help our cause.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we tell businesses that we demand changes to recognize and serve us, and then we tell them we won&#8217;t use their products/services because they ever left us out in the cold, we&#8217;re setting up a &#8216;damned if we do, damned if we don&#8217;t&#8217; situation where they&#8217;ll just swat us all away like flies because even if we get what we want, it won&#8217;t change our behavior or their bottom line.</p>
<p>Just as we need to recognize our own victories, we need to acknowledge their progress, even if all we do as a group is say thanks. It&#8217;s easier to take the next step if the first one is noticed and praised.</p>
<p>After all, when a baby takes it&#8217;s first, wobbly steps we don&#8217;t sniff disdainfully that it hasn&#8217;t run a marathon yet or that it needed too much encouragement to get there. We smile until we nearly split our faces in two, clap our hands, and coo in ecstasy. We hold out our hands and ask them to come to us. We hug it when it gets there. Then the baby knows taking a step is a good thing and takes another.</p>
<p>So if a company expands a size range, or ends a discriminatory policy, or takes down an offensive campaign, we need to think of it as that first, wobbly step and give them some positive feedback. Positive reinforcement can help our cause.</p>
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		<title>Comment on After the Victory &#8211; Part 2 by Frannie Zellman</title>
		<link>http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2013/05/25/after-the-victory-part-2/#comment-45061</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frannie Zellman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 13:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spot on, Ragen. I remember feeling exactly that way when I was active in the boycott and campaign against the Farah company beca&#039;use of the way they treated their employees in the early 1970&#039;s. When they did settle, I didn&#039;t want to buy anything from them because I was so disgusted by their actions. But I soon saw that if we considered them as    a company that had made the improvements at least partly because of our boycott and campaign, it was only fair to acknowledge their improvements by buying from them. I did so, eventually - a few used towels:)  

Your point is very well taken, indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on, Ragen. I remember feeling exactly that way when I was active in the boycott and campaign against the Farah company beca&#8217;use of the way they treated their employees in the early 1970&#8242;s. When they did settle, I didn&#8217;t want to buy anything from them because I was so disgusted by their actions. But I soon saw that if we considered them as    a company that had made the improvements at least partly because of our boycott and campaign, it was only fair to acknowledge their improvements by buying from them. I did so, eventually &#8211; a few used towels:)  </p>
<p>Your point is very well taken, indeed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What if You Did It Now? by Klara</title>
		<link>http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/what-if-you-did-it-now/#comment-45053</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Klara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 10:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you! When I was a child I always wanted to do ballet, but my dad told me that I am too fat for that. That&#039;s the one thing I can&#039;t forgive him... I spent years thinking about how I&#039;d loved to dance ballet but that I am too fat, too lazy, lack dicipline, all those clichees... now I am 34, definitely too old to be a ballerina. But I started to try some ballet just for me. It made me feel good, but the same old thoughts came in again: Who are you to think that you can do this? You will never be able to, cause you&#039;re too fat... Today I have seen your great photos - and I think I&#039;ll give it a try again! Thank you! 

At least I started to go swimming some time ago again. I love water, but I was scared to show my body in a swimsuit. Now, thanks to all you beautiful people out there reclaiming our fat bodies, I don&#039;t give a shit what people might think. Some weeks ago a woman even approached me in the shower and asked me if I would like to join her dieting group! Sadly I was so perplex that I couldn&#039;t say much more than no, and honestly: I hope to meet her again, just to make some things clear :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! When I was a child I always wanted to do ballet, but my dad told me that I am too fat for that. That&#8217;s the one thing I can&#8217;t forgive him&#8230; I spent years thinking about how I&#8217;d loved to dance ballet but that I am too fat, too lazy, lack dicipline, all those clichees&#8230; now I am 34, definitely too old to be a ballerina. But I started to try some ballet just for me. It made me feel good, but the same old thoughts came in again: Who are you to think that you can do this? You will never be able to, cause you&#8217;re too fat&#8230; Today I have seen your great photos &#8211; and I think I&#8217;ll give it a try again! Thank you! </p>
<p>At least I started to go swimming some time ago again. I love water, but I was scared to show my body in a swimsuit. Now, thanks to all you beautiful people out there reclaiming our fat bodies, I don&#8217;t give a shit what people might think. Some weeks ago a woman even approached me in the shower and asked me if I would like to join her dieting group! Sadly I was so perplex that I couldn&#8217;t say much more than no, and honestly: I hope to meet her again, just to make some things clear <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on After the Victory &#8211; Part 1 by jayem</title>
		<link>http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/after-the-victory-part-1/#comment-45050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jayem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 10:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Life is short and there are far more set backs that victories, in my experience anyway. Celebrate the good stuff as it happens, no matter the SIZE. The celebrating is part of the process. It strengthens your resolve and bonds you to the people who are in the trenches with you. And really, who needs to justify dancing and being joyful?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life is short and there are far more set backs that victories, in my experience anyway. Celebrate the good stuff as it happens, no matter the SIZE. The celebrating is part of the process. It strengthens your resolve and bonds you to the people who are in the trenches with you. And really, who needs to justify dancing and being joyful?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Or we could teach them to fly by Chloe</title>
		<link>http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2012/02/18/or-we-could-teach-them-to-fly/#comment-45044</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chloe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 06:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I left a comment on a different post asking about fat pregnancy resources- found it! right on, thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left a comment on a different post asking about fat pregnancy resources- found it! right on, thank you.</p>
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